67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question

Randall-
You've got the right idea and the proper spirit. I would add, tho, that if the owner asks for guidance/opinion as to what's wrong/correct/etc., that's o.k., but a "pick-apart party" in front of a guy who didn't ask for it is in poor taste.
As an aside, I've found a different bunch who are worse for originality than us: gun nuts! And there are sticklers for each make just like we do for each marque auto. Worse even, they absolutely abhor a restored gun. Some would rather see a "nail driver" in original condition than a perfectly restored piece. And when you show up with a gun in original, near perfect condition, they "kick sand in your face" and say it couldn't possibly be an unrestored piece.
There are plenty of similarities in a variety of collector categories: antiques, jewelry, stamps, coins, war memorabilia, rare books, you name it. I guess we should all try to practice showing a little more humility towards those who don't share our particular frame of mind.
Regards, Stan
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From: Randall
To: Dan ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question


It is a bit strange Dan. Hell these cars have lived with many lives for a long time and s**t happens. I remember looking at a 63 corvette split window with out the split and three tail lights as opposed to only two. Back in those days that was the thing to do. Who cares, you can sort it.

Hell cars caught fire or got in wrecks etc. We try to keep our cars I suppose the best we can. But the collectors God bless em, are the ones, when they pay top top dollar, require the highest in original spec. The only thing I sometimes resent is the my car is better than your car syndrome and the level of bragging rights they seem to have. I have had some top metal in my life but I always would try to compliment the guys with the lesser speced vehicles. At the end of the day If a normal working guy is fortunate enough to own a Shelby. I think that that is a compliment to the vehicle type as he has to sweat allot more to own one than a guy who has unlimited resources of funds who just goes out and buys one. There is a bit of ego going on with these cars nowadays with some of the new purchasers and I think that is a shamed as they miss the spirit of the vehicle and the people who own them. I am just a lowly photographer with out huge bucks. The sacrifices that go into keeping my car in a fairly good condition proves that spirit, although the wife shakes her head sometimes. So guys with the top cars count your blessings and try not to leverage your self esteem by pointing out deficiencies of others vehicles as it is real boring.

Regards

Randall Paul



From Dan
ya know this is why I got out of the Shelby and Cobra market a long time ago .. it's a car for Christ sake !!! my shitbox 66 Shelby Convert remains sleeping in a barn rather to listening to know it all's "oh look thats the wrong bolt " ... ok rant off .. have to go an shovel snow

Dan

 

Well said Stan!


-----Original Message-----
From: STAN SIMM
Sent: Jan 23, 2006 5:04 PM
To: Randall , Dan , shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question



Randall-



  You've got the right idea and the proper spirit.  I would add, tho, that if the owner asks for guidance/opinion as to what's wrong/correct/etc., that's o.k., but a "pick-apart party" in front of a guy who didn't ask for it is in poor taste.



  As an aside, I've found a different bunch who are worse for originality than us: gun nuts!  And there are sticklers for each make just like we do for each marque auto.  Worse even, they absolutely abhor a restored gun.  Some would rather see a "nail driver" in original condition than a perfectly restored piece.  And when you show up with a gun in original, near perfect condition, they "kick sand in your face" and say it couldn't possibly be an unrestored piece.



   There are plenty of similarities in a variety of collector categories: antiques, jewelry, stamps, coins, war memorabilia, rare books, you name it.  I guess we should all try to practice showing a little more humility towards those who don't share our particular frame of mind.



Regards, Stan  



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From: Randall



To: Dan ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com



Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 2:22 PM



Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question










It is a bit strange Dan.  Hell these cars have lived with many lives for a long time and s**t happens.  I  remember looking at a 63 corvette split window with out the split and three tail lights as opposed to only two.  Back in those days that was the thing to do.  Who cares, you can sort it. 



 



Hell cars caught fire or got in wrecks etc..  We try to keep our cars I suppose the best we can.  But the collectors God bless em, are the ones, when they pay top top dollar,  require the highest in original spec.  The only thing I sometimes resent is the my car is better than your car syndrome and the level of bragging rights they seem to have.  I have had some top metal in my life but I always would try to compliment the guys with the lesser speced vehicles..  At the end of the day If a normal working guy is fortunate enough to own a Shelby.  I think that that is a compliment to the vehicle type as he has to sweat allot more to own one than a guy who has unlimited resources of funds who just goes out and buys one.  There is a bit of ego going on with these cars nowadays with some of the new purchasers and I think that is a shamed as they miss the spirit of the vehicle and the people who own them.  I am just a lowly photographer with out huge bucks.   The sacrifices that go into keeping my car in a fairly good condition proves that spirit, although the wife shakes her head sometimes.   So guys with the top cars count your blessings and try not to leverage your self esteem by pointing out deficiencies of others vehicles as it is real boring.  



 



Regards



 



Randall Paul   



 







 



 



From Dan



ya know this is why I got out of the Shelby and Cobra market a long time ago .. it's a car for Christ sake !!!  my shitbox 66 Shelby Convert remains sleeping in a barn rather to listening to know it all's "oh look thats the wrong bolt " ... ok rant off .. have to go an shovel snow



 



Dan











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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Randall wrote:

To give a differnt prespective, I am not an "original" collector. I
consider that 66 Hertz with the 65 style exhaust to be better than an
original Hertz. Personally I would pay a premium for that. But then again
I am not someone that would pay $167K for a Hertz car. In fact I still
come from the old school (I was educated about Shelbys by Lee Mathias)
where we considered a Hertz car to be less desirable, and barely a "real"
Shelby. Back then they thought the late models were better than a Hertz
car.

Times have changed, but in truth, even if I were going to pay $100-250K
for a Shelby, a Hertz is the last one I would buy. But then again, to each
their own. Just realize we don't all have the same preferences. That is a
mistake that seems to be assumed sometimes here, in that we all want the
same car, for the same reasons.

> Hell cars caught fire or got in wrecks etc. We try to keep our cars I
>suppose the best we can. But the collectors God bless em, are the ones,
>when they pay top top dollar, require the highest in original spec. The
>only thing I sometimes resent is the my car is better than your car
>syndrome and the level of bragging rights they seem to have. I have had
>some top metal in my life but I always would try to compliment the guys
>with the lesser speced vehicles. At the end of the day If a normal
>working guy is fortunate enough to own a Shelby. I think that that is a
>compliment to the vehicle type as he has to sweat allot more to own one
>than a guy who has unlimited resources of funds who just goes out and
>buys one. There is a bit of ego going on with these cars nowadays with
>some of the new purchasers and I think that is a shamed as they miss the
>spirit of the vehicle and the people who own them. I am just a lowly
>photographer with out huge bucks. The sacrifices that go into keeping my
>car in a fairly good condition proves that spirit, although the wife
>shakes her head sometimes. So guys with the top cars count your
>blessings and try not to leverage your self esteem by pointing out
>deficiencies of others vehicles as it is real boring.

Calvin
http://hamptonroadsrotaryclub.com/ <<--our local club
http://www.racecarstuff.com <<--my blog
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Now everyone will be picking on the late models....goodness grief.

Henry


>From: Calvin Sanders <calvins (AT) highrpm (DOT) net>
>To: Shelby Mustang <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com>
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:04:31 -0500 (EST)
>
>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Randall wrote:
>
>To give a differnt prespective, I am not an "original" collector. I
>consider that 66 Hertz with the 65 style exhaust to be better than an
>original Hertz. Personally I would pay a premium for that. But then again I
>am not someone that would pay $167K for a Hertz car. In fact I still come
>from the old school (I was educated about Shelbys by Lee Mathias) where we
>considered a Hertz car to be less desirable, and barely a "real" Shelby.
>Back then they thought the late models were better than a Hertz car.
>
>Times have changed, but in truth, even if I were going to pay $100-250K for
>a Shelby, a Hertz is the last one I would buy. But then again, to each
>their own. Just realize we don't all have the same preferences. That is a
>mistake that seems to be assumed sometimes here, in that we all want the
>same car, for the same reasons.
>
>>Hell cars caught fire or got in wrecks etc. We try to keep our cars I
>>suppose the best we can. But the collectors God bless em, are the ones,
>>when they pay top top dollar, require the highest in original spec. The
>>only thing I sometimes resent is the my car is better than your car
>>syndrome and the level of bragging rights they seem to have. I have had
>>some top metal in my life but I always would try to compliment the guys
>>with the lesser speced vehicles. At the end of the day If a normal
>>working guy is fortunate enough to own a Shelby. I think that that is a
>>compliment to the vehicle type as he has to sweat allot more to own one
>>than a guy who has unlimited resources of funds who just goes out and buys
>>one. There is a bit of ego going on with these cars nowadays with some of
>>the new purchasers and I think that is a shamed as they miss the spirit of
>>the vehicle and the people who own them. I am just a lowly photographer
>>with out huge bucks. The sacrifices that go into keeping my car in a
>>fairly good condition proves that spirit, although the wife shakes her
>>head sometimes. So guys with the top cars count your blessings and try
>>not to leverage your self esteem by pointing out deficiencies of others
>>vehicles as it is real boring.
>
>Calvin
>http://hamptonroadsrotaryclub.com/ <<--our local club
>http://www.racecarstuff.com <<--my blog
>http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcalvin767 <<--my ebay stuff

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Sure Stan

I was a member of a Southern California Corvette club. Hard work and no fun. Sold my three Corvettes eventually and never looked back. Bottom line people do make the difference if you are a member of a club. This one is full of very good guys and we don't get into many pissing contests. I do enjoy the healthy banter occasionally though. Also it is important to many of our members to clarify what is right or wrong about a car and I do listen.

RP



----- Original Message -----
From: STAN SIMM
To: Randall ; Dan ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question


Randall-
You've got the right idea and the proper spirit. I would add, tho, that if the owner asks for guidance/opinion as to what's wrong/correct/etc., that's o.k., but a "pick-apart party" in front of a guy who didn't ask for it is in poor taste.
As an aside, I've found a different bunch who are worse for originality than us: gun nuts! And there are sticklers for each make just like we do for each marque auto. Worse even, they absolutely abhor a restored gun. Some would rather see a "nail driver" in original condition than a perfectly restored piece. And when you show up with a gun in original, near perfect condition, they "kick sand in your face" and say it couldn't possibly be an unrestored piece.
There are plenty of similarities in a variety of collector categories: antiques, jewelry, stamps, coins, war memorabilia, rare books, you name it. I guess we should all try to practice showing a little more humility towards those who don't share our particular frame of mind.
Regards, Stan
----- Original Message -----
From: Randall
To: Dan ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question


It is a bit strange Dan. Hell these cars have lived with many lives for a long time and s**t happens. I remember looking at a 63 corvette split window with out the split and three tail lights as opposed to only two. Back in those days that was the thing to do. Who cares, you can sort it.

Hell cars caught fire or got in wrecks etc. We try to keep our cars I suppose the best we can. But the collectors God bless em, are the ones, when they pay top top dollar, require the highest in original spec. The only thing I sometimes resent is the my car is better than your car syndrome and the level of bragging rights they seem to have. I have had some top metal in my life but I always would try to compliment the guys with the lesser speced vehicles. At the end of the day If a normal working guy is fortunate enough to own a Shelby. I think that that is a compliment to the vehicle type as he has to sweat allot more to own one than a guy who has unlimited resources of funds who just goes out and buys one. There is a bit of ego going on with these cars nowadays with some of the new purchasers and I think that is a shamed as they miss the spirit of the vehicle and the people who own them. I am just a lowly photographer with out huge bucks. The sacrifices that go into keeping my car in a fairly good condition proves that spirit, although the wife shakes her head sometimes. So guys with the top cars count your blessings and try not to leverage your self esteem by pointing out deficiencies of others vehicles as it is real boring.

Regards

Randall Paul



From Dan
ya know this is why I got out of the Shelby and Cobra market a long time ago .. it's a car for Christ sake !!! my shitbox 66 Shelby Convert remains sleeping in a barn rather to listening to know it all's "oh look thats the wrong bolt " ... ok rant off .. have to go an shovel snow

Dan