RE: Paint / Garage Floor

that is why my guy does the ' bb shot blasting' of the surface....to remove
all old paint , if any, as well as thin top coat of old or new concrete
which gets removed in the same process. my first house with no lifting in 6
yrs had 6 layers of paint on it before the epoxy was added and the floor
underneath had 8 or more years of salt on it before i started painting it.
the prep is the key, and there ain't no prep as good as bb blasting it.
bill, motown. salt and rust capital of the world
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From: jim13mac@aol.com [mailto:jim13mac@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM
To: ronald.robertson@sympatico.ca; wwells249101MI@comcast.net;
ORLMUST@aol.com; DLen1261@aol.com; ShelbyMustang@carmemories.com
Subject: Re: Paint / Garage Floor


I can add my .02 here. I live in the northeast where we have about 4
months of cold, snow, and road salt/sand each year. I heat my garage to
about 65 degrees in the winter, warmer on weekends when puttering around
with the cars. I used to paint the floor with "hardware store" type garage
floor paint every year because the snow/salt would lift it right off. Now,
I don't put the daily driver cars in the garage anymore because I was
getting tired of the mess from all the road salt/sand. I also switched to
the two part PPG AquaPon Epoxy paint (after careful surface prep). I did
repaint the floor again after 3 years because there were a few spots where
the epoxy paint lifted a bit. I believe that the road salt got into the
concrete over the years and that caused the paint to lift. I have found the
2 part epoxy far superior to anything else. However, in my climate, I think
repaints are inevitable, everybody around here has had similar problems with
their painted floors. Maybe if I had used the epoxy paint on the floor when
it was new, before the road salt, I would have no paint lifting. You guys
in the warmer climates might do better. I have yet to find any fluids from
the cars make a mark on the epoxy. Everything just wipes up, nice and
clean.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Robertson <ronald.robertson@sympatico.ca>
To: Bill Wells <wwells249101MI@comcast.net>; ORLMUST@aol.com;
DLen1261@aol.com; ShelbyMustang@carmemories.com
Sent: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:57:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Paint / Garage Floor


My experience with "paint on" garage floor protectors is not good. We
followed all the steps: acid etch, careful preparation, etc. The paint
started to lift after one cold winter. Talked to the supplier and he said
"I'm gonna stop selling this stuff. Some concrete simply will not etch
properly and therefore the paint refuses to bond." Ended up putting vinyl
garage flooring down and it is perfect.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Wells
To: ORLMUST@aol.com ; DLen1261@aol.com ; ShelbyMustang@carmemories.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: Paint / Garage Floor


the U Coat it stuff is water based, and some friends here are waiting
for the winter to find out how it holds up to ice/snow/salt mush.

i have used a 2 part Sherwin Williams epoxy on my floors ( 2 coats)
with a clear urethane top coat with clear silica mixed in for non skid
protection. on one house it held up flawlessly for 6 yrs ,new house just
done..but same guy who did it the first time did it for me again. no
chemical has ever eaten thru the epoxy coating, or left a mark on it. wipes
right up.

the real key with any of the products is the PREP, floor must be prepped
properly. my guy uses bb's and bead blasts it first..either new or old
floors.

the pros here get from $3 to $4 per square foot to prep/install and
materials. more costly than do it yourself by a long shot, but then how many
folks have a guarantee and have a bb shot blasting machine to ensure the
best prep available ? i have seen many other jobs have their floor lift
within 1 yr...sometimes ya get what ya pay for.....bill, motown
-----Original Message-----
From: ORLMUST@aol.com [mailto:ORLMUST@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:45 AM
To: DLen1261@aol.com; ShelbyMustang@carmemories.com
Subject: Paint / Garage Floor


Shelby Group,

We recently painted the floor of our new ( 3200 sq ft) storage
facility. After asking
advise: We chose PPG AquaPon Expoxy products.

It cost about $ 700 for the 2 part paint and thinners. We ended up
putting two coats
with a total product of 22 gallons applied.

The material has a gloss, so all the imperfections are obvious. The
plus side, is the
adhesion is rated high. The resistance to gas, oil, brake fluid is
superb.

Ask me in about two years for the wear and reliability factors. It
sure costs a lot
more then the old "concrete stain" sold through Home Depot or Lowes.

Has anyone had experience with the "U Coat It" Systems. I know this
is VERY
expensive. It is reccommended to apply only over bare concrete.

Pete Geisler
www.OrlandoMustang.com
407 688 1966