RE: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions

well said, Jim

________________________________

From: Shelby American Collection =
[mailto:jim@shelbyamericancollection.org]
Sent: Thu 5/19/2005 12:22 PM
To: shelbymustang@carmemories.com; T Gatewood Enterprises; Mike =
McCullough
Subject: Re: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions



I for one would like to know why everytime a Boss car or Shelby gets =
sold
for a very high price, these boards get lit up like a Christmas tree =
with
all this nitpicking and covert back stabbing. This kind of behavior =
reminds
me of the Corvette community not the Ford group.So what if this car =
doesnt
have the right air cleaner decal or radiator cap. Thats between the =
buyer
and the seller and easily remedied. If the buyer is satisfied with the
purchase why does everyone have to get on the sellers case. There are
plenty of experts out there like Mike M. that will fly out and inspect =
a
car at a moments notice for a fee which is well worth it in this day of =
6
figure Shelbys and Bosses. If this car is indeed that low of miles any
amateur could tell that in a second. Buyers, do your homework and due
diligence beforehand. Bystanders show some class, if you have a problem
with someone deal with it personally rather than putting it out on an =
open
forum like this for all to see. Leave this board for the intended use to
help Shelby owners . Ive said enough lets move on!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike McCullough" <mike@worldwidemusclecars.com>
To: "T Gatewood Enterprises" <t_gatewood@yahoo.com>;
<shelbymustang@carmemories.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions


> Question #1 for TG,
> How do you know this is the same car that Stephen sold? I'm not here =
to
> bash Stephen or defend him, but for you to come on here and make =
reference
> that some one was mis-leading or more appropriate from your =
statements,
> lying about a car, I feel you should let us know how you know these =
facts
to
> be true. First hand! Not from hear say from others. I have had issues =
with
> others that frequent this board, my issues being first hand, and all =
were
> solved. I would like to know, what is your connection with this car?
> Thank you,
> Mike McCullough
> 405-760-6732 cell
> 405-330-4535 office
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T Gatewood Enterprises" <t_gatewood@yahoo.com>
> To: <shelbymustang@carmemories.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:06 AM
> Subject: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions
>
>
> > Beautiful car-- clearly a record-setting benchmark
> > that deserves attention and helps us all in the value
> > department. That being said, some acquaintances
> > outside of Mesa were expressing some concerns which I
> > initially dismissed. That is, until one of them
> > eventually called my attention to the following eBay
> > auction (4548939008) linked below:
> >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...egory=3D6465&=
item=3D4548939008&rd=3D1
> >
> > Take a look at the mileage this guy lists-- 213,000!
> > Why would they do this? (Question 1) I thought
> > Stephen purchased it from a "member of the family."
> > Was Stan Pine a member of the Merlino family?
> > (Question 2). And, why did Mr. Becker conveniently
> > leave out the previous owner's name from the Shelby
> > Registry description? (Question 3) Is he doing a
> > little "sanitizing" of the ownership chain? Wow--
> > didn't know you could remove owners when it didn't
> > support your story!
> >
> > Also, the car in that shop is clearly apart-- looks
> > like a full engine and front end detail to me, much
> > more than the auction implies (Question 4). And if
> > you look closely, the stripes are clearly white, not
> > yellow. How can that be? (Question 5) That can only
> > mean one of two things: Either it's 878's second
> > repaint (wrong color stripes the first refinish) or
> > 878 is currently restored with the wrong color
> > stripes. As most T5's had yellow stripes, I can only
> > conclude it's the second repaint for this car
> > (Question 6). Oops.
> >
> > Now why would a car with only 13,000 claimed original
> > miles have need for TWO paint jobs? (Question 7).
> > And is this even plausible given that this car had
> > OVER 9,000 miles for its last recorded service
> > December of 1969? That means that this flashy neat
> > car has only been driven 111 (yes, one hundred and
> > eleven) miles PER YEAR for the PAST 36 YEARS! How can
> > that possibly be given the number of miles traveled
> > during its first and the original owner was alive
> > through much of this history. (Question 8).
> >
> > Questions 9, 10, and 11 below: For 250k, will Steve
> > be throwing in:
> > 9. A correct radiator cap
> > 10. Trunk cardboard for the taillights (2 pieces)
> > 11. The correct Cobra Jet Ram Air sticker for the air
> > cleaner?
> >
> > And, more importantly, an explanation of questions 1
> > through 8?
> >
> > Please understand that I am only taking a break from
> > all the "patting ourselves on the back" talk to embark
> > on an exercise in critical thinking about 9F03R480878.
> > Indeed, with such a world record price on claimed
> > provenance and low mileage comes the responsibility to
> > deal with the attention such a sale might bring.
> > Accordingly, it makes sense to vet these issues in a
> > forum such as this for healthy discussion from the
> > most knowledgeable Shelby enthusiasts who comprise
> > this forum.
> >
> > TG
> >
> >
> >
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Yes I agree keep it private. TG we normally use this forum for ideas,
information and help. The community members here have a certain decorum
and certainly respect for one another when posting. What is interesting is
you have concerned yourself with a car you have no interest in as an owner
or purchaser. Patting ourselves on the back? Well I suppose if you bought
MSFT back in 1989 you would be a bit tickled about it today. Cars and their
prices are like any market except slightly more tangible. If Stephan sold
his car that amount, well done as there was someone obviously willing to own
that car for that amount and I am sure the buyer was a little more informed
than you suggest. Lets keep this forum clean.



Best Regards Randall



----- Original Message -----
From: "VanderHeide, Richard" <rvanderh@med.wayne.edu>
To: "Shelby American Collection" <jim@shelbyamericancollection.org>;
<shelbymustang@carmemories.com>; "T Gatewood Enterprises"
<t_gatewood@yahoo.com>; "Mike McCullough" <mike@worldwidemusclecars.com>
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:43 AM
Subject: RE: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions


well said, Jim

________________________________

From: Shelby American Collection [mailto:jim@shelbyamericancollection.org]
Sent: Thu 5/19/2005 12:22 PM
To: shelbymustang@carmemories.com; T Gatewood Enterprises; Mike McCullough
Subject: Re: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions



I for one would like to know why everytime a Boss car or Shelby gets sold
for a very high price, these boards get lit up like a Christmas tree with
all this nitpicking and covert back stabbing. This kind of behavior reminds
me of the Corvette community not the Ford group.So what if this car doesnt
have the right air cleaner decal or radiator cap. Thats between the buyer
and the seller and easily remedied. If the buyer is satisfied with the
purchase why does everyone have to get on the sellers case. There are
plenty of experts out there like Mike M. that will fly out and inspect a
car at a moments notice for a fee which is well worth it in this day of 6
figure Shelbys and Bosses. If this car is indeed that low of miles any
amateur could tell that in a second. Buyers, do your homework and due
diligence beforehand. Bystanders show some class, if you have a problem
with someone deal with it personally rather than putting it out on an open
forum like this for all to see. Leave this board for the intended use to
help Shelby owners . Ive said enough lets move on!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike McCullough" <mike@worldwidemusclecars.com>
To: "T Gatewood Enterprises" <t_gatewood@yahoo.com>;
<shelbymustang@carmemories.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions


> Question #1 for TG,
> How do you know this is the same car that Stephen sold? I'm not here to
> bash Stephen or defend him, but for you to come on here and make reference
> that some one was mis-leading or more appropriate from your statements,
> lying about a car, I feel you should let us know how you know these facts
to
> be true. First hand! Not from hear say from others. I have had issues with
> others that frequent this board, my issues being first hand, and all were
> solved. I would like to know, what is your connection with this car?
> Thank you,
> Mike McCullough
> 405-760-6732 cell
> 405-330-4535 office
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T Gatewood Enterprises" <t_gatewood@yahoo.com>
> To: <shelbymustang@carmemories.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:06 AM
> Subject: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions
>
>
> > Beautiful car-- clearly a record-setting benchmark
> > that deserves attention and helps us all in the value
> > department. That being said, some acquaintances
> > outside of Mesa were expressing some concerns which I
> > initially dismissed. That is, until one of them
> > eventually called my attention to the following eBay
> > auction (4548939008) linked below:
> >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...548939008&rd=1
> >
> > Take a look at the mileage this guy lists-- 213,000!
> > Why would they do this? (Question 1) I thought
> > Stephen purchased it from a "member of the family."
> > Was Stan Pine a member of the Merlino family?
> > (Question 2). And, why did Mr. Becker conveniently
> > leave out the previous owner's name from the Shelby
> > Registry description? (Question 3) Is he doing a
> > little "sanitizing" of the ownership chain? Wow--
> > didn't know you could remove owners when it didn't
> > support your story!
> >
> > Also, the car in that shop is clearly apart-- looks
> > like a full engine and front end detail to me, much
> > more than the auction implies (Question 4). And if
> > you look closely, the stripes are clearly white, not
> > yellow. How can that be? (Question 5) That can only
> > mean one of two things: Either it's 878's second
> > repaint (wrong color stripes the first refinish) or
> > 878 is currently restored with the wrong color
> > stripes. As most T5's had yellow stripes, I can only
> > conclude it's the second repaint for this car
> > (Question 6). Oops.
> >
> > Now why would a car with only 13,000 claimed original
> > miles have need for TWO paint jobs? (Question 7).
> > And is this even plausible given that this car had
> > OVER 9,000 miles for its last recorded service
> > December of 1969? That means that this flashy neat
> > car has only been driven 111 (yes, one hundred and
> > eleven) miles PER YEAR for the PAST 36 YEARS! How can
> > that possibly be given the number of miles traveled
> > during its first and the original owner was alive
> > through much of this history. (Question 8).
> >
> > Questions 9, 10, and 11 below: For 250k, will Steve
> > be throwing in:
> > 9. A correct radiator cap
> > 10. Trunk cardboard for the taillights (2 pieces)
> > 11. The correct Cobra Jet Ram Air sticker for the air
> > cleaner?
> >
> > And, more importantly, an explanation of questions 1
> > through 8?
> >
> > Please understand that I am only taking a break from
> > all the "patting ourselves on the back" talk to embark
> > on an exercise in critical thinking about 9F03R480878.
> > Indeed, with such a world record price on claimed
> > provenance and low mileage comes the responsibility to
> > deal with the attention such a sale might bring.
> > Accordingly, it makes sense to vet these issues in a
> > forum such as this for healthy discussion from the
> > most knowledgeable Shelby enthusiasts who comprise
> > this forum.
> >
> > TG
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Yahoo! Mail Mobile
> > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.
> > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
>
>