9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions

Beautiful car-- clearly a record-setting benchmark
that deserves attention and helps us all in the value
department. That being said, some acquaintances
outside of Mesa were expressing some concerns which I
initially dismissed. That is, until one of them
eventually called my attention to the following eBay
auction (4548939008) linked below:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...548939008&rd=1

Take a look at the mileage this guy lists-- 213,000!
Why would they do this? (Question 1) I thought
Stephen purchased it from a "member of the family."
Was Stan Pine a member of the Merlino family?
(Question 2). And, why did Mr. Becker conveniently
leave out the previous owner's name from the Shelby
Registry description? (Question 3) Is he doing a
little "sanitizing" of the ownership chain? Wow--
didn't know you could remove owners when it didn't
support your story!

Also, the car in that shop is clearly apart-- looks
like a full engine and front end detail to me, much
more than the auction implies (Question 4). And if
you look closely, the stripes are clearly white, not
yellow. How can that be? (Question 5) That can only
mean one of two things: Either it's 878's second
repaint (wrong color stripes the first refinish) or
878 is currently restored with the wrong color
stripes. As most T5's had yellow stripes, I can only
conclude it's the second repaint for this car
(Question 6). Oops.

Now why would a car with only 13,000 claimed original
miles have need for TWO paint jobs? (Question 7).
And is this even plausible given that this car had
OVER 9,000 miles for its last recorded service
December of 1969? That means that this flashy neat
car has only been driven 111 (yes, one hundred and
eleven) miles PER YEAR for the PAST 36 YEARS! How can
that possibly be given the number of miles traveled
during its first and the original owner was alive
through much of this history. (Question 8).

Questions 9, 10, and 11 below: For 250k, will Steve
be throwing in:
9. A correct radiator cap
10. Trunk cardboard for the taillights (2 pieces)
11. The correct Cobra Jet Ram Air sticker for the air
cleaner?

And, more importantly, an explanation of questions 1
through 8?

Please understand that I am only taking a break from
all the "patting ourselves on the back" talk to embark
on an exercise in critical thinking about 9F03R480878.
Indeed, with such a world record price on claimed
provenance and low mileage comes the responsibility to
deal with the attention such a sale might bring.
Accordingly, it makes sense to vet these issues in a
forum such as this for healthy discussion from the
most knowledgeable Shelby enthusiasts who comprise
this forum.

TG



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Question #1 for TG,
How do you know this is the same car that Stephen sold? I'm not here to
bash Stephen or defend him, but for you to come on here and make reference
that some one was mis-leading or more appropriate from your statements,
lying about a car, I feel you should let us know how you know these facts to
be true. First hand! Not from hear say from others. I have had issues with
others that frequent this board, my issues being first hand, and all were
solved. I would like to know, what is your connection with this car?
Thank you,
Mike McCullough
405-760-6732 cell
405-330-4535 office

----- Original Message -----
From: "T Gatewood Enterprises" <t_gatewood@yahoo.com>
To: <shelbymustang@carmemories.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:06 AM
Subject: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions


> Beautiful car-- clearly a record-setting benchmark
> that deserves attention and helps us all in the value
> department. That being said, some acquaintances
> outside of Mesa were expressing some concerns which I
> initially dismissed. That is, until one of them
> eventually called my attention to the following eBay
> auction (4548939008) linked below:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...548939008&rd=1
>
> Take a look at the mileage this guy lists-- 213,000!
> Why would they do this? (Question 1) I thought
> Stephen purchased it from a "member of the family."
> Was Stan Pine a member of the Merlino family?
> (Question 2). And, why did Mr. Becker conveniently
> leave out the previous owner's name from the Shelby
> Registry description? (Question 3) Is he doing a
> little "sanitizing" of the ownership chain? Wow--
> didn't know you could remove owners when it didn't
> support your story!
>
> Also, the car in that shop is clearly apart-- looks
> like a full engine and front end detail to me, much
> more than the auction implies (Question 4). And if
> you look closely, the stripes are clearly white, not
> yellow. How can that be? (Question 5) That can only
> mean one of two things: Either it's 878's second
> repaint (wrong color stripes the first refinish) or
> 878 is currently restored with the wrong color
> stripes. As most T5's had yellow stripes, I can only
> conclude it's the second repaint for this car
> (Question 6). Oops.
>
> Now why would a car with only 13,000 claimed original
> miles have need for TWO paint jobs? (Question 7).
> And is this even plausible given that this car had
> OVER 9,000 miles for its last recorded service
> December of 1969? That means that this flashy neat
> car has only been driven 111 (yes, one hundred and
> eleven) miles PER YEAR for the PAST 36 YEARS! How can
> that possibly be given the number of miles traveled
> during its first and the original owner was alive
> through much of this history. (Question 8).
>
> Questions 9, 10, and 11 below: For 250k, will Steve
> be throwing in:
> 9. A correct radiator cap
> 10. Trunk cardboard for the taillights (2 pieces)
> 11. The correct Cobra Jet Ram Air sticker for the air
> cleaner?
>
> And, more importantly, an explanation of questions 1
> through 8?
>
> Please understand that I am only taking a break from
> all the "patting ourselves on the back" talk to embark
> on an exercise in critical thinking about 9F03R480878.
> Indeed, with such a world record price on claimed
> provenance and low mileage comes the responsibility to
> deal with the attention such a sale might bring.
> Accordingly, it makes sense to vet these issues in a
> forum such as this for healthy discussion from the
> most knowledgeable Shelby enthusiasts who comprise
> this forum.
>
> TG
>
>
>
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Hmmmmmmmmm. Starting bid of $100.00. Phony pictures with legitimate serial
number? Sounds like a genuine fraud to me. Had the same thing happen to us
with our Shelby. They used MY pictures with a phony serial number.
There's a bunch of whackos out there.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "T Gatewood Enterprises" <t_gatewood@yahoo.com>
To: <shelbymustang@carmemories.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:06 AM
Subject: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions


> Beautiful car-- clearly a record-setting benchmark
> that deserves attention and helps us all in the value
> department. That being said, some acquaintances
> outside of Mesa were expressing some concerns which I
> initially dismissed. That is, until one of them
> eventually called my attention to the following eBay
> auction (4548939008) linked below:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...548939008&rd=1
>
> Take a look at the mileage this guy lists-- 213,000!
> Why would they do this? (Question 1) I thought
> Stephen purchased it from a "member of the family."
> Was Stan Pine a member of the Merlino family?
> (Question 2). And, why did Mr. Becker conveniently
> leave out the previous owner's name from the Shelby
> Registry description? (Question 3) Is he doing a
> little "sanitizing" of the ownership chain? Wow--
> didn't know you could remove owners when it didn't
> support your story!
>
> Also, the car in that shop is clearly apart-- looks
> like a full engine and front end detail to me, much
> more than the auction implies (Question 4). And if
> you look closely, the stripes are clearly white, not
> yellow. How can that be? (Question 5) That can only
> mean one of two things: Either it's 878's second
> repaint (wrong color stripes the first refinish) or
> 878 is currently restored with the wrong color
> stripes. As most T5's had yellow stripes, I can only
> conclude it's the second repaint for this car
> (Question 6). Oops.
>
> Now why would a car with only 13,000 claimed original
> miles have need for TWO paint jobs? (Question 7).
> And is this even plausible given that this car had
> OVER 9,000 miles for its last recorded service
> December of 1969? That means that this flashy neat
> car has only been driven 111 (yes, one hundred and
> eleven) miles PER YEAR for the PAST 36 YEARS! How can
> that possibly be given the number of miles traveled
> during its first and the original owner was alive
> through much of this history. (Question 8).
>
> Questions 9, 10, and 11 below: For 250k, will Steve
> be throwing in:
> 9. A correct radiator cap
> 10. Trunk cardboard for the taillights (2 pieces)
> 11. The correct Cobra Jet Ram Air sticker for the air
> cleaner?
>
> And, more importantly, an explanation of questions 1
> through 8?
>
> Please understand that I am only taking a break from
> all the "patting ourselves on the back" talk to embark
> on an exercise in critical thinking about 9F03R480878.
> Indeed, with such a world record price on claimed
> provenance and low mileage comes the responsibility to
> deal with the attention such a sale might bring.
> Accordingly, it makes sense to vet these issues in a
> forum such as this for healthy discussion from the
> most knowledgeable Shelby enthusiasts who comprise
> this forum.
>
> TG
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Yahoo! Mail Mobile
> Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.
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>

Why is there a discussion over an obvious FAKE ebay auction??
I have run cars up and them the car reappears on an auction a week later.
High dollar cars will bring out the fake ads. They just want your 5K
deposits.

I like the ads that show a 1967 in one pic and a 1968 car in another.
OOPSY! The guy making the ad didn't know the difference.

An ad can be made up or real. We all just have to be logical about it.

Most of us have made lots of jokes about the FAKE ads...
This is just another prime example.

Anyone email the seller? He might have not even run the ad.

Too Little detail is a classic fake. If you were selling a car. You would at
least be able to say something about the car. Or at least paste it in from
the previous ad! :-)

Thanks, Jim Elsmore

'66 Shelby GT350H #1882 - Hertz/Non Hertz Car!
'66 Shelby GT350 #2306 - Vintage Racer
'67 Shelby GT350 #2736 - In Restoration process

visit www.nvsaac.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike McCullough" <mike@worldwidemusclecars.com>
To: "T Gatewood Enterprises" <t_gatewood@yahoo.com>;
<shelbymustang@carmemories.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions


> Question #1 for TG,
> How do you know this is the same car that Stephen sold? I'm not here to
> bash Stephen or defend him, but for you to come on here and make reference
> that some one was mis-leading or more appropriate from your statements,
> lying about a car, I feel you should let us know how you know these facts
to
> be true. First hand! Not from hear say from others. I have had issues with
> others that frequent this board, my issues being first hand, and all were
> solved. I would like to know, what is your connection with this car?
> Thank you,
> Mike McCullough
> 405-760-6732 cell
> 405-330-4535 office
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T Gatewood Enterprises" <t_gatewood@yahoo.com>
> To: <shelbymustang@carmemories.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:06 AM
> Subject: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions
>
>
> > Beautiful car-- clearly a record-setting benchmark
> > that deserves attention and helps us all in the value
> > department. That being said, some acquaintances
> > outside of Mesa were expressing some concerns which I
> > initially dismissed. That is, until one of them
> > eventually called my attention to the following eBay
> > auction (4548939008) linked below:
> >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...548939008&rd=1
> >
> > Take a look at the mileage this guy lists-- 213,000!
> > Why would they do this? (Question 1) I thought
> > Stephen purchased it from a "member of the family."
> > Was Stan Pine a member of the Merlino family?
> > (Question 2). And, why did Mr. Becker conveniently
> > leave out the previous owner's name from the Shelby
> > Registry description? (Question 3) Is he doing a
> > little "sanitizing" of the ownership chain? Wow--
> > didn't know you could remove owners when it didn't
> > support your story!
> >
> > Also, the car in that shop is clearly apart-- looks
> > like a full engine and front end detail to me, much
> > more than the auction implies (Question 4). And if
> > you look closely, the stripes are clearly white, not
> > yellow. How can that be? (Question 5) That can only
> > mean one of two things: Either it's 878's second
> > repaint (wrong color stripes the first refinish) or
> > 878 is currently restored with the wrong color
> > stripes. As most T5's had yellow stripes, I can only
> > conclude it's the second repaint for this car
> > (Question 6). Oops.
> >
> > Now why would a car with only 13,000 claimed original
> > miles have need for TWO paint jobs? (Question 7).
> > And is this even plausible given that this car had
> > OVER 9,000 miles for its last recorded service
> > December of 1969? That means that this flashy neat
> > car has only been driven 111 (yes, one hundred and
> > eleven) miles PER YEAR for the PAST 36 YEARS! How can
> > that possibly be given the number of miles traveled
> > during its first and the original owner was alive
> > through much of this history. (Question 8).
> >
> > Questions 9, 10, and 11 below: For 250k, will Steve
> > be throwing in:
> > 9. A correct radiator cap
> > 10. Trunk cardboard for the taillights (2 pieces)
> > 11. The correct Cobra Jet Ram Air sticker for the air
> > cleaner?
> >
> > And, more importantly, an explanation of questions 1
> > through 8?
> >
> > Please understand that I am only taking a break from
> > all the "patting ourselves on the back" talk to embark
> > on an exercise in critical thinking about 9F03R480878.
> > Indeed, with such a world record price on claimed
> > provenance and low mileage comes the responsibility to
> > deal with the attention such a sale might bring.
> > Accordingly, it makes sense to vet these issues in a
> > forum such as this for healthy discussion from the
> > most knowledgeable Shelby enthusiasts who comprise
> > this forum.
> >
> > TG
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Yahoo! Mail Mobile
> > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.
> > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
>
>
>

I for one would like to know why everytime a Boss car or Shelby gets sold
for a very high price, these boards get lit up like a Christmas tree with
all this nitpicking and covert back stabbing. This kind of behavior reminds
me of the Corvette community not the Ford group.So what if this car doesnt
have the right air cleaner decal or radiator cap. Thats between the buyer
and the seller and easily remedied. If the buyer is satisfied with the
purchase why does everyone have to get on the sellers case. There are
plenty of experts out there like Mike M. that will fly out and inspect a
car at a moments notice for a fee which is well worth it in this day of 6
figure Shelbys and Bosses. If this car is indeed that low of miles any
amateur could tell that in a second. Buyers, do your homework and due
diligence beforehand. Bystanders show some class, if you have a problem
with someone deal with it personally rather than putting it out on an open
forum like this for all to see. Leave this board for the intended use to
help Shelby owners . Ive said enough lets move on!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike McCullough" <mike@worldwidemusclecars.com>
To: "T Gatewood Enterprises" <t_gatewood@yahoo.com>;
<shelbymustang@carmemories.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions


> Question #1 for TG,
> How do you know this is the same car that Stephen sold? I'm not here to
> bash Stephen or defend him, but for you to come on here and make reference
> that some one was mis-leading or more appropriate from your statements,
> lying about a car, I feel you should let us know how you know these facts
to
> be true. First hand! Not from hear say from others. I have had issues with
> others that frequent this board, my issues being first hand, and all were
> solved. I would like to know, what is your connection with this car?
> Thank you,
> Mike McCullough
> 405-760-6732 cell
> 405-330-4535 office
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T Gatewood Enterprises" <t_gatewood@yahoo.com>
> To: <shelbymustang@carmemories.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:06 AM
> Subject: 9F03R480878 Interesting Link and Numerous Questions
>
>
> > Beautiful car-- clearly a record-setting benchmark
> > that deserves attention and helps us all in the value
> > department. That being said, some acquaintances
> > outside of Mesa were expressing some concerns which I
> > initially dismissed. That is, until one of them
> > eventually called my attention to the following eBay
> > auction (4548939008) linked below:
> >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...548939008&rd=1
> >
> > Take a look at the mileage this guy lists-- 213,000!
> > Why would they do this? (Question 1) I thought
> > Stephen purchased it from a "member of the family."
> > Was Stan Pine a member of the Merlino family?
> > (Question 2). And, why did Mr. Becker conveniently
> > leave out the previous owner's name from the Shelby
> > Registry description? (Question 3) Is he doing a
> > little "sanitizing" of the ownership chain? Wow--
> > didn't know you could remove owners when it didn't
> > support your story!
> >
> > Also, the car in that shop is clearly apart-- looks
> > like a full engine and front end detail to me, much
> > more than the auction implies (Question 4). And if
> > you look closely, the stripes are clearly white, not
> > yellow. How can that be? (Question 5) That can only
> > mean one of two things: Either it's 878's second
> > repaint (wrong color stripes the first refinish) or
> > 878 is currently restored with the wrong color
> > stripes. As most T5's had yellow stripes, I can only
> > conclude it's the second repaint for this car
> > (Question 6). Oops.
> >
> > Now why would a car with only 13,000 claimed original
> > miles have need for TWO paint jobs? (Question 7).
> > And is this even plausible given that this car had
> > OVER 9,000 miles for its last recorded service
> > December of 1969? That means that this flashy neat
> > car has only been driven 111 (yes, one hundred and
> > eleven) miles PER YEAR for the PAST 36 YEARS! How can
> > that possibly be given the number of miles traveled
> > during its first and the original owner was alive
> > through much of this history. (Question 8).
> >
> > Questions 9, 10, and 11 below: For 250k, will Steve
> > be throwing in:
> > 9. A correct radiator cap
> > 10. Trunk cardboard for the taillights (2 pieces)
> > 11. The correct Cobra Jet Ram Air sticker for the air
> > cleaner?
> >
> > And, more importantly, an explanation of questions 1
> > through 8?
> >
> > Please understand that I am only taking a break from
> > all the "patting ourselves on the back" talk to embark
> > on an exercise in critical thinking about 9F03R480878.
> > Indeed, with such a world record price on claimed
> > provenance and low mileage comes the responsibility to
> > deal with the attention such a sale might bring.
> > Accordingly, it makes sense to vet these issues in a
> > forum such as this for healthy discussion from the
> > most knowledgeable Shelby enthusiasts who comprise
> > this forum.
> >
> > TG
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
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> > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.
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