Shelby and SAAC at Odds

[daltondavid]

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The SAAC team will still continue with what they do, we have not renewed the shelby License, but I am sure they will continue with the registry. We at Shelby will also keep the registry for all new cars and old, if the owners of cobra and vintage mustang want to join.

I did not ask for there info back or any of their stuff. We have always maintained that we would keep the new cars we build and ford builds, SAAC does not have the GT_H or the shelby GT info, that has always been ours, as with all cars going forward.

Carroll has always wanted a place for all owners and non owners who love his brand and it's right that that place be developed and built by Shelby. This will be online, up to date, from us to all of you, with events, many events, to celebrate cars, members and racing. This is a big task being under taken by us. We want you all to have a place to see up to the minute info from the company and up to the minute info on your car, whether in the registry or waiting to be built, or if you added mods, the registry will be updated automatically.

We expect this to be very different from SAAC, they do a Book and one event a year, we want this to be more and we are willing to invest in that. There will be newsletters, magazines, interviews with Carroll and the team, forums, factory and product insights....... Why not wait to see it before you judge it.

Values of the cars will not change. this is a group, a club a society built by Shelby for Shelby .

And yes we know we can not do all this ourselves. We would love to have those who wish to help join us. Thank you


Amy Boylan
President Shelby Autos.

Remember what Amy Boylan posted above in the other thread. I am sure she would not lie to us.

[rshelby]

Originally Posted by mgreene

What happened to the rest of the posts in this thread? Selective editing?

Selective editing? Well, yes.

I moved the posts about Shelby autographs because the thread was drawn completely off subject with complaints about Carroll's autographs. You can find those posts in the FYI - Carroll Shelby Autograph thread.

In an effort to keep things organized, we always have and will continue to move posts to the most appropriate place. Questions like this that are posted outside of the General Site Info and Help forum may be deleted from any thread. Thanks for your cooperation.
Randall
Shelby Forums Admin

[daltondavid]

Originally Posted by daltondavid

This thread was locked but is available for your viewing pleasure!! Unedited by the way!! Important Shelby News out of SEMA The current thread you inquire about has not had any posts edited off unless someone removed words themselves.- Dave

I was wrong. The point I believe Randall is trying to Make is to not stray Off Topic. this Thread was started to gauge the Shelby publics opinion one way or the other on what "Carroll Shelby licensing inc." Battle with "SAAC" does to your public perception of either business.

[65gtfastback]

Regardless of the rare expressed concerned over the security of the Shelby/Ford VIN number data at SAAC, I can't think of another entity that I would trust more. SAAC has done a fair job for decades. Shelby is getting on up there and even today would not personally oversee how those records would be managed and used and released to members. If Shelby took over the old records then he would farm it out (remember Eleanor production) or they would enter a corporate environment with budgets, budget games, turnover, legal councel, employees instead of enthuiast, labor cost, dissappointing return on investment, too much over head etc... years from now after Shelby is gone and Amy has moved on who knows what would happen to the data. It could become unavailable, instantly available or maybe someone from the Philippines or India will answer your VIN question. Question: Who would be better than SAAC to handle these old records?

[tesgt350]

Originally Posted by 65gtfastback

Regardless of the rare expressed concerned over the security of the Shelby/Ford VIN number data at SAAC, I can't think of another entity that I would trust more. SAAC has done a fair job for decades. Shelby is getting on up there and even today would not personally oversee how those records would be managed and used and released to members. If Shelby took over the old records then he would farm it out (remember Eleanor production) or they would enter a corporate environment with budgets, budget games, turnover, legal councel, employees instead of enthuiast, labor cost, dissappointing return on investment, too much over head etc... years from now after Shelby is gone and Amy has moved on who knows what would happen to the data. It could become unavailable, instantly available or maybe someone from the Philippines or India will answer your VIN question. Question: Who would be better than SAAC to handle these old records?

Well, who is to say that the same thing wont happen with SAAC in a few years. You know, the Heads at SAAC will not live forever either. No one knows what will happen in a few Years. Has SAAC done a Good Job? YES! Will Shelby do a Good Job? I am sure he will also! SAAC has had the Papers for a couple of Decades, have they copied them yet? If not, WHY not? Copies will be just as good.
David.

[bigbluesnake]

How about storing them with the SHELBY AMERICAN COLLECTION Museum in Boulder, Colorado? They run a first class operation preserving Shelby American history and cars. Steve Volk and Bill Murray( who lives it everyday) have a great museum. If you haven't had a chance to visit the museum you should check it out. Just a thought.

[bigbluesnake]

Here is the link...
http://www.shelbyamericancollection.org/index.html

[65gtfastback]

How could you ever get them on the phone with all those distractions... just kidding. Great collection. The sad thing is that attorneys will probably "fine tune" all this.

[shelby6t5]

As with any endeavor, you can tell when someone loves what they do. In all of my interactions with SAAC, their true love of the Marque -along with handling the historical records and all the implications that come with that responsibility - comes through. They have and continue to be the keepers of the flame. If they no longer did it, it would have to be done by other true enthusiasts, not pencil pushing corporate flunky's who don't recognize the difference between a VIN # and the corporations multi-digit bottom line
None of us (except perhaps lurking SAAC, Shelby, and their legal reps) knows how this is going to shake out. All WE can do is wait, and stop jumping to conclusions.

Mike

[daltondavid]

How about some Positive Resolution suggestions??

[tesgt350]

Originally Posted by daltondavid

How about some Positive Resolution suggestions??

Why don't they both Join Forces. SAAC can tend to the Older Cars and Team Shelby can tend to the Newer Cars BUT as One Team.
David.

[GT350DAVE]

I spoke to SAAC headquarters today. What are they doing? Devoting long hours to the new Registry and putting the final details together for the 2008 SAAC convention. What about the action from Shelby? They view this as an annoyance at a time when they have a lot of other things on their plate. They didn't want this but likewise can’t ignore it. A statement to the membership will go out sometime next week.
SAAC has always been about the members and about the
cars built at Shelby American. That is what it will
continue to be. If Carroll no longer wants the hero
status, then that is his choice.
My take on all of this, personalities aside, is that this is a business decision by Shelby, the Shelby Auto people and the people who have Carroll's ear. Carroll thrives on controversy and has never been hurt (for very long) by bad publicity.
Shelby Autos is riding the wave of an incredible new Mustang design from Ford. It's a good thing the Mustang didn't go 4 cylinder front wheel drive because Carroll would be doing something else, that might not be even car related. I suspect SAAC would not be getting letters from Shelby's lawyers either. It's perceived money and power driving the whole thing. SAAC thinks there is room for more than one enthusiast club for these cars, but Shelby seems to think there is room for only one — his.
SAAC has always operated on a shoe string and gotten
things done through hard work and the passion we all
share for the cars. There are hundreds of members who
participate both on a local and national level. They
do it for free because of the love for their cars. That's a hard thing to compete with. Shelby Autos has started their club to cater mostly to the newest generation of Shelbys. What will finance their club when the revenue stream slows and when the demand for their cars slackens? My belief is Team Shelby could quite possibly go the same route that most car clubs dedicated to brand new models go: when they stop building those cars, the club will be no more.
The members of SAAC and all of the enthusiasts for the
cars built by Shelby American in the 60's need to give
their full support to SAAC, because when all is said
and done, we need a continued driving force "Dedicated
to the preservation, cars, history and enjoyment of
the World Championship cars from Shelby American".
That is what SAAC's focus has been for the past 33 years and will continue to be. It will not be the older stepchild, hardly mentioned by a new club, whose focus is the cars produced today and any additional revenue that can be extracted from their owners.
I wish Shelby Autos good things. There is room for two clubs, each dedicated to different generations of cars. There will be some overlap and that’s not likely to hurt either club. But why create lines of division by trying to trash SAAC?

[shlby66]

Thankyou. Well spoken. As a 27 year member of SAAC; I hope to realize
another 27 plus years as a member of SAAC. See you at SAAC-33!
shlby66

[eljimb0]

Originally Posted by daltondavid

How about some Positive Resolution suggestions??

Simple,
Publish all this information on the internet. Do it tomorrow. Let these organizations flourish on the service they provide their members rather than on the power they hold over them.
jimbo

[daltondavid]

Originally Posted by eljimb0

Simple,
Publish all this information on the internet. Do it tomorrow. Let these organizations flourish on the service they provide their members rather than on the power they hold over them.
jimbo

I believe Team Shelby will be doing something like that. what do you suggest that SAAC put on the Internet? the Registry?? the last time I did a deal on a Shelby and the couple times prior to that, there was No quick or sudden moves. Registrars can be reached quickly by e-mail or phone if necessary. Maybe I am missing your point, but please explain as everybody is encouraged to talk about how this matter is affecting them.

[eljimb0]

Originally Posted by daltondavid

.... what do you suggest that SAAC put on the Internet?

All the magic numbers... all the sales information that went with the cars when they were new..It is the only thing of value that they have. Pretending that stuff is as safe and secure as St. Peters crypt, ......and that SAAC is an automobile based "Holy Sea" is just simply nuts. Reality will always (...and only) prevail when everyone knows everything...
I would like to get this hobby away from the "my 1 inch strip of sheet metal is worth more than your 1 inch strip of sheet metal" and focus on the rest of the car... they really are fun things!!
jimbo


edit..
Imagine for a second, ...This scenario. A car is listed on E-bay as a 66 hertz car.. fuzzy photos.. seller is slow to answer questions. Someone posts a link to the sale here at Shelby Forums.. We start picking it apart. ....That bolt is wrong, ....back seatbelts are wrong, ..etc. But the truth is we all don't know anything.. The seller could have an iron clad history of this car. ... You will have no way to know if his story is real or pure KA-KA. Suppose you e-mail SAAC and ask them for information about this car... What will they tell you?? ...Are your dues paid up?? Will your answer come in time.. Will someone from the club office bid against you?? Is someone in the club office actually SELLING the car on E-bay?? A long time ago this hobby was affordable enough that this stuff was all moot.. Now these things are big numbers... some people have millions and millions of dollars at stake. There is no more Mr. Nice Guy... Just look at how these people are behaving and think about it.

[computerworks]

There are some very obvious reasons why "all" the data on these individual vintage cars should not be publically viewed.

I agree that generic info and history would be fun to browse online...but warts and birthmarks are another thing.

[daltondavid]

Originally Posted by eljimb0

edit..
Imagine for a second, ...This scenario. A car is listed on E-bay as a 66 hertz car.. fuzzy photos.. seller is slow to answer questions. Someone posts a link to the sale here at Shelby Forums.. We start picking it apart. ....That bolt is wrong, ....back seatbelts are wrong, ..etc. But the truth is we all don't know anything.. The seller could have an iron clad history of this car. ... You will have no way to know if his story is real or pure KA-KA. Suppose you e-mail SAAC and ask them for information about this car... What will they tell you?? ...Are your dues paid up?? Will your answer come in time.. Will someone from the club office bid against you?? Is someone in the club office actually SELLING the car on E-bay?? A long time ago this hobby was affordable enough that this stuff was all moot.. Now these things are big numbers... some people have millions and millions of dollars at stake. There is no more Mr. Nice Guy... Just look at how these people are behaving and think about it.

Alright elJimbo, I picture the scene. You think that we should be able to sit in a big comfy chair with a cocktail and a laptop and be able to score excellent cars at 25 year ago prices. with zero competition.....that simply is not going to happen. But Good news my friend!! Build a Clone that can outperform an original for a quarter of what they cost. or is it that you want that little tag covering up the Magic Digits that seperates my car from yours?? I had a CSX 4000 series COBRA That really is as close to an original COBRA as one can possibly get! they are about 10-15% of an original cars cost, and you cannot match the smiles you get in one! how about a New SHELBY GT?? I love mine and it has those Tags....here is another scenario for you: I really like Antiques. I once sold a Tiffany lamp at Sotheby's in New York City as it's value far exceeded it's necessity in my life. I do however have a Fine Replica of a Tiffany lamp in my Family room that shows wonderful colored glass from both inside and outside my home. I do enjoy it. have you ever noticed that Pretty Gals with proportionate Breast Implants look and feel great!! espescially at night when the only thing on is my Tiffany Replica lamp. you seem really jaded by something and I hope whatever it is you get past it as life is far too short to be unhappy with anything.