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    April 3rd, 2014, 07:59 PM
    I found out there was an auction of three Pre-Production Ford GT's at SAI in Las Vegas in 2008 and some of the buyers were at the Ford GT Rally 3. Here's some facts on the cars: ________________________________ "CP1": VIN: 1FAFP90SX4Y400004 Color: Black - no racing stripe, silver side stripe Odometer: Unknown J1,J2,J3 were 4Y400001, 2, and 3 respectively - this is the first engineering unit after the centennial cars First CP (Confirmation Prototype) to be built which means it was the first fully representative prototype with full powertrain, body, and interior in the program - the "first full test vehicle" The emission program was the critical path for the entire program - which is why it was the first one built Used exclusively for Emissions Certification Testing * Has considerable content that never made it to production (not a complete list): Aluminum splitter Matte vinyl interior Chrome shift knob Birdirectional (exposed weave) carbon clamshell inner panel Rockford Fosgate stereo Blue Multimatic Dampers Black engine valve covers Black supercharger Ford GT logo filler cap Aluminum Roof Panel Early prototype silver grommet seats * Still has emission lab test tail pipes on it and emissions feedgas panel on rocker * Emissions Lab Engine Hour Meter Installed: 180 hours (as of 8/21/2008) You read that right folks. This was the FIRST Ford GT built after the three Centennial cars. It's a 4Y4 car. That means you could own a 2004 Ford GT! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "PB2-1" VIN: 1FAFP90SX5Y400045 Color: Blue with White Stripes Odometer: 47,524 (as of 8/21/2008) Options: Forged BBS Wheels, McIntosh Stereo, Red Calipers First car in the PB2 pre production build (last pre production build before production) Vehicle's owner was Manufacturing and was used for mileage accumulation, manufacturing, and electrical prove-out After the vehicle successfully completed it's testing it was transferred to Product Development (SVT) For the brief amount of time that a MkII follow on program was in the planning stages, it was used as the program vehicle The vehicle still has a prototype small pulley for increased supercharger boost (this pulley eventually became the Ford Racing Pulley) The vehicle still has exhaust manifold heat shields printed with "Mark II" visible when the clamshell is opened Vehicle has "Ford GT" logo fuel filler cap As previously mentioned, this is the vehicle they initially used while planning the development of a Ford GT Mark II! ------------------------------------------- "PB1-1" - The Nardo Car * VIN: 1FAFP90S25Y400037 Color: Yellow with Black Stripes Odometer: 37,886 (as of 8/21/2008) Options: Forged BBS Wheels, McIntosh Stereo, Red Calipers First vehicle in the PB1 pre production build 1 of 2 vehicles (the other being CP15) to be taken to Europe for testing First car to certify top speed at 209.1 mph at Nardo, Italy Roll Cage Dual 5 point Sparco Racing Harnesses Development front cooling aerofoils First prototype vehicle to be driven by journalist in Europe (Cover of Top Gear July 2004) Vehicle used to support numerous track events Has SVT developed track alignment Vehicle used to develop Hoosier R6 track tire Roll Cage Dual 5 point Sparco Racing Harnesses Development front cooling aerofoils A/C Condenser removed for optimal cooling This was a charity event. The cars will were sold on a reserve set by SVT with proceeds above reserve to the Loma Linda Veterans Hospital Charity. (Loma Linda is a great university by the way in Redlands, CA) I’m curious what they sold for. I heard one bid of $135,000. And also how long do you have to keep the limiter on it that keeps it at a top speed of 5 mph. And what model year can they be registered as? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    April 1st, 2014, 09:48 AM
    Mike McCluskey told me once that once you took a body off an original Cobra, you couldn't put it back on. You had to make a new body. But at least if the original "nostril" body survives it would be a good measuring tool--exactly how many inches were the nostrils apart, etc.I would think if this car were rebodied as per the style Ken Miles and John Morton raced it, it would be worth $3-4 million at the right auction. but then you'd have to put an alloy block 390 in and it would be squirrely all over again...wasn't it some famous Grand Prix driver that bought it
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    April 1st, 2014, 09:44 AM
    I know, I know, they only made the new Ford GT for '05-06 model years. Yet this story says that GT Joey has a 2003. Why the first Ford GT prototype lives in a Long Island garage | Motoramic - Yahoo Autos The story says he had to agree not to drive it at street speedsand Ford put a limiter on it. I don't see how they can enforce it. Is Ford gonna hire detectives to follow the owner when he takes it out on the road? Was this the show car with bundle of snakes exhaust, in stainless steel? The story doesn't show the engine. Weren't three of them made, one especially for Edsel Ford II? I recall during Ford's 2003 100 year celebration there were three Ford GTs that they said were "production cars." Anyhow I'd like to know who is gonna stop an owner from one of these 2003 models from changing the chip or whatever you have to do to take off the limiter. And wouldn't these three be the most valuable new generation Ford GTs eventually? (but not if you can only drive them at 5 mph...)
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    March 21st, 2014, 10:12 AM
    Memory has dimmedl; how did Lonberger get the car? Was this the one with burn damage or was that the Kohs car? Mecum has a very extensive description of the car on their site
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    March 18th, 2014, 10:02 AM
    I clicked on Autoweek's thread to the auction company and was surprised they are not one known for collector cars.What do you think? I think Monterey or Scottsdale, that's where the money is.... http://www.rgilliganauctions.com/4-25%20brown%20contents.html is the auction company's website. Lots more pictures here (by the way, I have no interest in this car beyond historical) Friday, April 25, 2014 www.rgilliganauctions.com Contents 9:30 a.m. - Real Estate 12 Noon - Vehicles 12:30 p.m. Real Estate – 1969 Shelby GT-500 428 Cobra Jet w/ 8,531 orig. miles Here's what they say about it: 1969 Shelby Mustang GT-500 – One Owner - 8,531 original miles We are offering this 1969 Shelby Mustang GT-500 (Shelby Serial Number 1946) from the estate of Larry A. Brown, the original owner of this unrestored Shelby Mustang with 8,531 actual miles. It is finished in Black Jade with a black interior and features a 428 Cobra Jet engine with a 4-speed transmission. The car appears to be in very good to excellent condition and includes thorough original documentation. The Shelby American World Registry documents this car with Eger Motors, Inc., McKeesport, PA as the original Shelby selling dealer on May 9, 1969 with a MSRP of $5,245.79. Miller-McVeigh Ford, State College, PA was the local selling Ford dealer and performed the warranty work. The last warranty work performed by Miller–McVeigh (adjust door glass) in September 1969 documented the mileage at just 1,665 miles. “As discovered” photos illustrate the garage find with decades of dust and a PA state inspection sticker that expired in January 1973. In addition, we located the car’s original smog system, shifter assembly, snorkel, S-tube, Shelby window sticker, bill of sale, build sheet, owner’s manual, warranty card, title, and registration documentation that will be included with the car. It was widely known locally that this car was not driven in the rain or even washed out of concern that the water would introduce rust. If this car was hose washed since new, it probably occurred at the detail bay of the selling dealer before delivery. In storage, the owner kept the hood up (nice, straight fiberglass hood with no spring tension) and the trunk lid up with the trunk mat and underlayment removed. The seats were wrapped with garbage bags, and two layers of floor mats protected the original carpet. Overall, the Shelby presents in very good to excellent condition with original and unrestored finishes. The exterior was carefully wiped down for evaluation, and the exterior finishes present nicely with approximately 70% to 75% of the paint appearing original. Other than some early paint touch-up, the car appears original and largely undisturbed with date coded parts and production line inspection marks as would be expected with 8,531 actual miles. With fresh fuel and a new battery, the car was recently started and should be running for evaluation at the sale. Please contact us with any questions about the car or its condition, and we will respond with additional information including pictures to assist interested parties. Buyers are encouraged to complete a thorough inspection and must rely on their judgment in evaluating this car.
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    March 18th, 2014, 09:48 AM
    I haven't read the whole story here in Autoweek because I am in a time bind but here's the whole story: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140317/CARNEWS01/140319829 but am curious to know if this low mileage '69 Shelby came to be at the auction at the behest of the family or was there an intrepid barn finder involved who steered them toward the auction? I think it's good the car goes to auction--the family will have a better chance to recover the full value of it. I am sad the owner didn't use it more but also know there is no arguing with some hobbyists whose source of pride is is how low the mileage is. I have a friend with a 2006 Ford GT and never drives it but then he has 21 other cars!
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    March 1st, 2014, 08:36 PM
    I recently saw an Ace coupe very clean and original on the outside, with a beautifully installed Ford V8, I am pretty sure 289. The owner even had a faded AC decal on the valve cover to make you think it came from A.C. that way. The owner owns lots of real Cobras so I think he was just driving this around to shake people up, and of course now A.C. Aces will go up like Cobras did. As far as Ak he was tougher than tough, had survived the Battle of the Bulge in WWII, and raced an American built hot rod called the Chariot of Steel in an Italian road race but Shelby himself referred me to him in person to ask tech questions when I was at the auto show so I think Ack could talk without too many bad words. I agree with the poster, that Ak had the knowledge but back in Dearborn they thought Shelby made a more promotable performance advisor, sort of a Roy Rogers-Hopalong Cassidy kinda guy
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    March 1st, 2014, 08:29 PM
    I am confused about the timeline. I just talked to the new owner who told me he was in a bidding war with several others, including Jay Cushman. He wouldn't tell me what he paid but said it was very expensive. But I'm more interested in what Murdoch bought it for back when the racer who owned it was laid up in the hospital. I thought back then he said $20,000 but am having trouble remembering something told me 30 to 40 years ago let alone where my car keys are. The buyer's son told me that he heard about the car while at the Steve McQueen concours which is relatively new event in Chino,CA. I think everyone in the LA Shelby club knew about the car since Dennis bought it but no action took place until a well heeled buyer hove into view, and maybe recent sales of GT40s at auctions in the last 3 years (didn't the Gulf GT40 go for over $10 million) have heated up the popularity of the car. I predict the Dean Jeffries GT40 roadster will go for $10 million if it is ever auctioned, seeing as only four small block GT40 roadsters were made. The great thing is he paid zero.
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    February 28th, 2014, 02:32 PM
    Some GT40 fan sent me a line or two that the yellow GT40 one of the last made owned by ex-LA fireman Dennis Murdoch since he bought it from Salt while Salt was in the hospital after a racing crash has finally been sold to Tom Shaugnessy, the famous car finder from N. San Diego who already has a Mk. I GT40 that he bought from Australia. The Murdoch car at one time had a Mk. II body style rear clamshell. I think Dennis told me back in the '70s that he bought it for $20,000 but I can't remember back that far now. I heard another rumor that the purchase price recently ws $2 million but that sounds high to me b ecause even at auctions GT40s don't sell for $2 milion unless they are a Gulf car that won LeMans or have some other major race victory. Anyhow like to hear how Dennis was persuaded. If you can find the picture on the net it shows the yellow GT40 buried in boxes in classic hoarder tradition--no doubt with mice living in the interor! PS this is not to be confused with another GT40 that Salt had that was reportedly found buried in the mud and which is chronicled in one of Jerry Heasley's books
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    February 7th, 2014, 11:59 AM
    This car is a beautiful kind of art deco retro prewar style on a postwar car. There is only one, designed by a former Chrysler designer who was more or less King of the tailfin. Chassis CSX2451 was purchased by concept-car collector Joe Bortz in the early 1970s . I was wondering if it had been languishing for years --the Copper Development people who paid for it almost forgetting about it, when he found it? Later owners were a collectors Jim Southard, Al Wright and Tom Barrett. The lst named is famous for starting the Barrett Jackson auction but I couldn't find what he sold it for if he ran it through his own auction (today that wouldn't be the best auction at Monterey for that car)It was later owned by the Lyon family sfor over 20 years. In 2012 it fetched $660K at the RM auction at Monterey but I don't know if it was sold by a later owner than the Lyons. Has anyone seen this car on the road? A look under the hood shows a 289 with wiring etc. but I have never seen it driving around. This page shows the engine http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2011/07/15/exners-one-off-mercer-cobra-to-cross-the-block-in-monterey/ I can see that the valve covers look lightly brass plated, but I was disappointed they didn't have Webers and do the whole copper or brass treatment on those.
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    January 7th, 2014, 04:44 PM
    Yeah, I know, it's Mustang, not Mutang. The same day I find these beautiful pictures of a clone for a in-period '65 GT350 (except for the striping) on the website http://67mustangblog.com/2014/01/a-new-ford-mustang-for-christmas-the-story-of-edsel-ford-iis-first-car/ I find out the car was borrowed by a friend of Edsel's and destroyed. Now I suppose if your family owns the factory making Mustangs, it was far easier to make another car than it would be to repair the destroyed one so maybe it wasn't saved. I wonder if the car took shape after Edsel II had worked for Shelby or hadn't he worked there yet? I notice the styling dept. photos (I recognize the curtains and the little blocks they used to identify the date the picture was taken) was 6-9-65. Anyway it would be interesting if the car had Shelby mechanical parts as well as styling cues or a K-code engine, but most important it, did it survive?
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    December 5th, 2013, 12:51 PM
    It was already shown on TV today, Dec. 5th. Hard to describe its looks, similar to present car but lower roofline. Odd is the two Mercedes like blisters in the hood like Mercedes 300SL of Fifties and more current SLKs. I like only the horse on the back, no Mustang or Ford badge. I think Ford should bring one over, they probably have one at their West Coast design office, only 10-15 miles away. Also at least they could show drawings of a Shelby version. Here's hoping.
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    December 4th, 2013, 03:50 PM
    Book title: Inside Shelby American Author:John Morton Length: 247 pages Type:hardbound Publisher MBI GOOD BOOK, AS FAR AS IT GOES I was eagerly awaiting John Morton's book Inside Shelby American because I am not aware of any other books by drivers who drove for Shelby, other than Bondurant's book which are more on his whole driving career. This appears to be written by him, and not "with" another writer who may have ghostwritten it. I am happy that he has such a good memory for there are a lot of racing anecdotes in here, some funny and some tragic. Actually the book, despite the title, is more about Morton's entire life as a race car driver and mechanic and not just about Shelby-American though there are plenty of insights into what it was like to be at Shelby-American in the Sixties. It also shows the life of a race car mechanic which was incredibly poor financially back then--it seems like most of the time he was making $1.60 per hour! But he would hang in there with mechanic jobs at Shelby, always hoping to be a driver. There is a lot of insights into the development of various cars, like the Sunbeam Tiger, though Morton seems confused, was Miles already working for Shelby when he built his own quickly done low budget Tiger proposal or still an outside shop? Morton goes into the Cobra Daytona coupe quite extensively, saying as past histories have done, that Pete Brock's idea was ridiculed within the company until suddenly it proved to be faster than the roadster. It is a bit mystifying that he shows a picture of four recently arrived Daytona coupes from Europe and one is the stretched one to accomodate a 427. Morton says he and another mechanic volunteered to put a 427 in it and complete it but doesn't say who put the kabosh on that. But the photographic evidence shows the car came back from Italy stretched, so all previous authors who said that it was re-shortened to stock length when it was decided to cancel the 427 coupe are wrong (including yours truly). Interesting too is the story of how the Shelby Mustang was first developed using a Ford Falcon. American Shelby fans hate to admit that the Shelby was descended from Falcon underpinnings. The fliptop Cobra is also discussed, though he doesn't come out and say if it was reduced to a bare pile of frame tubes after a sevree crash. Ironcially that car in its earlier pre-flip top days was the car that Morton got to race at Sebring after Ken Miles had crashed it and rebuilt it, all in 24 hours. There is a brief discussion of Ken Miles' fatal crash in the J car, that story and his earlier one on Skip Hudson being injured when a clutch exploded on a Cobra, and the story of Davie MacDonald being killed at Indy all serve to underline that this was an occupation you could get hurt or killed doing. A lot of the book tells of Morton's constantly trying to get selected as a Shelby American driver, but he always seemed to be chosen only when another driver had a mis-hap and he was a fill-in. Still, to have raced for Shelby back in the Sixties and still be vintage driving today, that's an accomplishment. Most of the original Shelby drivers are deceased or pushing past 75 years old. There's a couple picture choices that I wouldn't have put in if I were him, such as Morton devoting half a page to a picture of him with a high school buddy. Since the buddy was neither a race driver, influential in the book, or a Shelby employee, me as a book buyer would have preferred that space be devoted to something related to Shelby or racing in the Sixties. A little of the quirkiness of Shelby himself comes through in the anecdotes, particularly the one where Morton waited for two days outside a meeting at Shelby HQ on who the next year's drivers would be and Shelby walks by after the meeting, after Morton was not chosen and simply says: "Sorry." You'd think he would never forgive him but Morton flashes forward several decades to show how Shelby asked him to go to England to drive a Daytona at Goodwood, so Morton seems to realize he wasn't ever going to be Shelby's first choice, but was back in Shelby's mind as a candidate nonethless. This book is $28 USD and I think for the amount of Shelby-American history and pictures it delivers, a tough choice--I'd rather he weed out all his stories of Lotus driving and put in more Shelby but then I'm a Shelby super-fan, not so much Lotus. Still, he has many vintage pictures in the book and those are of interest to model car builders and replica car builders so I'd have to say if you are intent on adding to your Shelby library, get the book.... -------------------------------------------
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    December 1st, 2013, 03:37 PM
    There is a new book out by one of the former Shelby American drivers, John Morton (book called Inside Shelby American) and I was surprised to see that it had a couple pictures by Dave Friedman of the formerly 289 Cobra Daytona coupe stretched to house a 427. Previously I had only seen pictures of it being built in Italy and assumed that it had been converted back to a 289 while still in Italy after another Daytona coupe that was being transported on the upper deck of a transporter hit a low hanging bridge. In the book Morton says that he and another Shelby American employee had plans to install a 427 but then never mentions it again, as if Shelby didn't want them. I was surprised that, considering that leaf spring car didn't go forward as a 427 that Shelby allowed the 427 powered Super Coupe project to get as far as he did before cancelling that as well. Anyway I have a 500-word book review for this book if anybody wants it for their club newsletter--I don't know which category here is good for a book review unless it's this same category.
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    November 16th, 2013, 12:58 PM
    Zagato is an Italian coachbuilder, reconstituted in recent times after being out of business for awhile. Most famous for Aston Martin DB4GTZ and the Fiat Zagato-bodied cars and like 8V or some Lancias. Anyway about 25 years ago I saw a rear view shot of a white GT350 with a different roofline and I think different that stock trunk lid with Italian plates that was said in the caption to be the work of Zagato. Then on the website Ponycar.de I saw a black one pictured, front 3/4 view. I wouldn't call them Zagato-bodied as most of the body seems the same as Ford, only different roof, different around the headlamps and trunk lid. I can't recall if they had Zagato badges. I don't know who ordered them--did Shelby send them the cars to experiment with? Anyway curious why they haven't been in any car magazines in decades since by now having both a Shelby connection and Zagato connection would make them more valuable than the regular standard GT350. Also bodied in Europe were the Bertone Mustang, still looking for word of that car's fate, and the Osi Mustang, which I have only seen one picture of. That was a fastback with flat headlamps that flipped up as on Porsche 928. It was kind of ugly so maybe nobody is looking for that. But neither of those two were built by Zagato. More recently there was an Ital Design Mustang, that may have been paid for by Ford but now that Ital Design is incorporated into VW you won't hear Ital Design talking about it any more.
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    November 13th, 2013, 01:38 PM
    Tis website has lots of pictures: http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/Ford/Mustang/GEORGETOWN/Ontario/5_18524338_ON20090605143000786/?showcpo=ShowCPO Of course the words are written by the sellers so I'll take what they say with a grain of salt and look forward to the opinions of those who really know the cars. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The One and Only 1968 Shelby GT500 Fastback Prototype!!!! Recently completed World Class Restoration here at LMC. This incredibly special Shelby GT500 was earmarked to be something unique from the very beginning. Starting off life as a Lime Gold Green 1967 Shelby GT500 with factory air conditioning and 4 speed transmission, this car was selected by Shelby American to be used for testing purposes. The 1967 GT500’s equipped with 4 speed transmissions and air conditioning were known for having some overheating issues and this would be the car used to remedy these issues. There are images of this special fastback out at tracks being tested along side the famous “Super Snake” in attempts to correct the over heating issue. From this testing the heat extracting “gills” on the A/C equipped cars was developed, an element predominantly found on all of the 1968 models as well. This particular car would also be the first 1967Shelbyto get what would become standard, oil cooler for big block 4 speed cars with air conditioning. Once the over heating issues were remedied, it was time to begin the design of the upcoming 1968 models, that’s where the story of this Shelby takes yet another twist. The car was used as a template to design the new fiberglass nose pieces, engine hood, rear section and of course the drastically different interior. The long list of special one off parts used on this engineering car include …. Special hand made steel framed hood with non functional hood louvers Special hood pins with lanyards Hand made one piece front nose with special brackets Hand made one piece upper nose trim One off fender snakes and “Cobra” emblems Wood grained treatment interior over the original 1967 brushed aluminum Special one off console and shifter bezel Marchal spot lamps instead of fog lamps Blacked out deluxe seat trim Hand made fiberglass tail panel 428PI engine with 427 side winder intake Special one off steering wheel pad Special one off gas cap It was also at this time that the decision was made that the new for ’68 Acapulco Blue would be the ideal colour to present the new models, so in addition to its new body components the car was also treated to a fresh coat of Ford Acapulco Blue Paint! Upon its completion this car and its convertible cousin would be used for all the press photos, magazine ads and even Shelby commercials. Carroll Shelby even used this prototype personally for a period of time and can be seen driving the car in the original 1968 Shelby commercials. Once its duties were fulfilled as the prototype the car was sold off and per the Shelby World Registry went through a few owners and was ultimately restored per the original specs, as a 1967 Lime Gold Green GT500. Once the most recent owner acquired the car he discovered the very unique and special history. The decision was made to do a complete rotisserie restoration to the condition it was most famous for, as a prototype 1968. Legendary Motorcar Company was sele
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