1967 Running Production Changes

[Bob Gaines]

Originally Posted by rsimkins

The list is now up on my website. Please take a look and see if I've missed anything. Follow this link: http://www.S-TechEnt.com/1967_Runnin...on_Changes.htm

3.0 GT500 base early sand cast later injected mold with ribs and S7MS engineering number. Both with pressed steel pcv elbow. 1.21 should read Shelby tailight harness 1st style loose wires, 2nd style tape wrapped, 3rd style enclosed plastic sheath or tube. 4.4 should be with 2.0 or 1.22 because it was a Shelby only item . 4.9 spelling - "Steering" 1.11 there were early side and dash/trunk emblems that were used along with the flat gas cap emblems .They had the same unique art work as the gas cap emblem and were not Debossed like the later ones. In the interior the fold down latch on the early style had no cover in the fiberglass trim panel and a small hole were the latch pokes through.The later style had a larger hole and a metal trim panel installed for ease of installation. Early deluxe door panels had a flat forward edge on the brush trim and later had a curved edge. I suspect it was a safety issue. The large letter to small letter tire change was another item installed at Ford but was a Shelby unique item. I applaud your hard work on this.

remembered another interior Ford production change. The deluxe interior seat lower trim had a early style that had no screw in the center of the trim and the later that had a screw in the front ,back and center.

I was laying in bed last night and remembered the early cars had the brake warning light under the dash and later cars did not. I think that would be a Shelby decision to change and not Ford. The early steel reinforced trunk lids had a trunk light installed and the later all fiberglass ones did not have a provision for a trunk light . Again this was a Shelby decision and not a Ford one. I think we are getting close to all of what could be considered production running changes by ether Ford or Shelby.

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by Bob Gaines

....ether Ford or Shelby.

Boy, I wondered why I was getting so sleepy

[Bob Gaines]

Originally Posted by A-Snake

Boy, I wondered why I was getting so sleepy

HEY ,no comments from the nickel seats.ha ha

[patty.dilabio]

Howdy folks! A quick thanks to 6t7 for the picture--it is quite popular and I think most of us have seen it.I have written to several people looking for any 67 assembly photos and the typical response is that few/or very few exist.The best one is the one posted..a close second is the one in the J smart/J haskell book on Mustang production numbers.A question for Bob can we document the trunk lamp ? this should be on the build sheet if Ford supplied it.Or was it a dealer installed option?A big thanks to everybody that contributed and to Roy for the dedication to put it all together!!

[Early67]

Bob,
Did all the early 67's have a trunk light? Mine has the lower dash light, but there's no evidence of ever having a trunk light.

[Bob Gaines]

Originally Posted by patty.dilabio

Howdy folks! A quick thanks to 6t7 for the picture--it is quite popular and I think most of us have seen it.I have written to several people looking for any 67 assembly photos and the typical response is that few/or very few exist.The best one is the one posted..a close second is the one in the J smart/J haskell book on Mustang production numbers.A question for Bob can we document the trunk lamp ? this should be on the build sheet if Ford supplied it.Or was it a dealer installed option?A big thanks to everybody that contributed and to Roy for the dedication to put it all together!!

Since the light was in the Shelby trunklid it would be Shelby installed and hence would not appear on a Ford build sheet. You might be referring to the delete sheet since I have never seen a regular Ford build sheet in a 67 like I have seen very frequently in a 68,69/70. It wouldn't show up on the delete sheet ether. I don't understand why I have never found a regular Ford build sheet in any 65,66 or 67 Shelby? I have found the delete sheets in the 67 Shelby's before. I believe the light was factory and not dealer installed. The ones I have seen have had what appears like a piece of tape put over the opening were the light is recessed and then painted leaving the exposed part of the bracket which holds it to the metal inner structure with the screw painted .I have found small pieces of masking tape left after being ripped off after the paint job was done. All of these clues would indicate it was done at the time of painting and installing the trunk lid at Shelby. If it were dealer installed the entire trunk light assembly and the screw would be bare unpainted metal.This was also the process that was used on all 68,69,70 Shelby's . As a side note the wiring was stuffed up into the inner structure and usually had a portion of it covered with over sprayed body color paint from the trunk painting process. I obviously have not inspected every car but have seen enough different cars spread out between the 1st to around 1000 to make a reasonable assumption that it was at least supposed to be standard production for the steel inner structure cars. I would not be surprised if some didn't get installed.

[Snakepit]

Originally Posted by Bob Gaines

.......... I don't understand why I have never found a regular Ford build sheet in any 65,66 or 67 Shelby? ...........

I would believe that individual buildsheets were not needed since they were constructed under the unified order and specs.

On the 68 - up Shelbys the cars were built not as a group where all the cars (except color) were built exactly the same, but as individual cars with different options.

Also San Jose build sheets are rare no matter what year or type the car is but it seems that in at least 67 the add/delete sheets ended up in the Shelbys much more often than buildsheets on regular Mustangs

Just a thought

[roddster]

RE: trunk light. Bob and I had a lengthy disscussion about the trunk light missing on my car, #0036. I can see his point, but, it was not there when I bought the car in January 1971, so I'm wrestling with installing one. With #0029 stating his did not have one either, I wonder if this is another low production number abnomality, or, a very limited group of early cars that did not get one.
As an aside, I've seen car #0002, and, it's trunk lid underliner did not even have the stamped hole in the underliner for the trunk light. OK, who knows if that is the original underliner on that car. #0002 had been through a few owners.

[hamiltoncox]

Isn't the Trunk Lamp part of the Courtesy Light Group that came on all the 67's? Seems if it is missing on the fiberglass trunk lids, then Shelby would have had to cut it off, or it was deleted at San Jose. Opinions?

[roddster]

Hamilton: The early cars had a metal underliner from the Mustang. Then the fiberglass was topped with the spoiler lid. So, the metal would complete the ground circuit. An additional wire would need to be added for the ground on an all-fiberglass lid.

If the deck lids where installed at the San Jose assembley plant, then all would be needed would be to leave it off. The connection was below the left trunk hinge. No cutting required.

[Bob Gaines]

Originally Posted by hamiltoncox

Isn't the Trunk Lamp part of the Courtesy Light Group that came on all the 67's? Seems if it is missing on the fiberglass trunk lids, then Shelby would have had to cut it off, or it was deleted at San Jose. Opinions?

When you familize yourself with Mustangs (Regular mustang piece) you will realize that the trunk light plugs into the factory Mustang tail harness at the driver side outer wheel house. Nothing needs to be cut off. Before anyone gets agitated I would say if you don't think your car came with it DON'T PUT IT ON. I did say I wouldn't be surprised if some were left off. Also so there is no misconception,the all fiberglass trunklids were never intended to have a trunk light. There is no provision for a trunk light like there is in the steel inner structure. If you decide to put the light in a early trunklid I would paint half the attaching bracket like I discribed for a more original look.

[Shelby6t7]

"If the deck lids where installed at the San Jose assembly plant"

Roddster:

Just to clarify...........the deck lids were installed at Shelby not at Ford.

Kenny

[rsimkins]

Bob,

Some some questions:

Originally Posted by Bob Gaines

3.0 GT500 base early sand cast later injected mold with ribs and S7MS engineering number. Both with pressed steel PVC elbow.

Currently I have the following for G.T.500 air cleaners:
3.1. Air Cleaner
• Non “COBRA” Lettered
• “COBRA” lettered, black painted finish
• “COBRA” lettered, natural finish

1. How should I change this to reflect your input?

Originally Posted by Bob Gaines

The deluxe interior seat lower trim had an early style that had no screw in the center of the trim and the later that had a screw in the front, back and center.

2. Any pictures to illustrate what you're talking about?

Originally Posted by Bob Gaines

I ... remembered the early cars had the brake warning light under the dash and later cars did not. I think that would be a Shelby decision to change and not Ford.

3. Did the instrument cluster brake warning light replace the under dash warning light?

I'll add the trunk lamp to the list.

Thanks for all the input. I'll try to get the changes posted later today.

[patty.dilabio]

Hi to all! I just thought of another possible Ford change for 67 production,isn't the front spring perch unique to 67 cars? The Ford basic part number is 3338,and it may have been AMK that pointed this out.And can we agree on an "early" car being one that was produced prior to the end of January 1967-or with a Shelby vin lower than 0250? this will give some better,and more precise insight as to how the production evolved into a quicker,and less expensive process during the final "Handbuilt"year of Shelby production.

[rsimkins]

Originally Posted by patty.dilabio

...isn't the front spring perch unique to 67 cars? The Ford basic part number is 3338...

Patty,

The Ford MPC lists this as Seat and Bushing Assembly, Front Suspension Upper Arm Spring; Z7WD 3338-A. I believe that this is an export part. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. The export brace part number is called out as Z7ZD 16D052-A on the D.S.O. sheets, so I think this makes sense.

[Bob Gaines]

Originally Posted by rsimkins

Bob,

Some some questions:



Currently I have the following for G.T.500 air cleaners:
3.1. Air Cleaner
• Non “COBRA” Lettered
• “COBRA” lettered, black painted finish
• “COBRA” lettered, natural finish

1. How should I change this to reflect your input?

> Non "COBRA" Lettered sand cast top with sand cast base and metal pressed fit PCV elbow.
"Cobra" lettered diecast top, black finish and Diecast S7MS ribbed base. "Cobra" Lettered diecast top, natural finish and Diecast S7MS ribbed base.
2. Any pictures to illustrate what you're talking about?-Pictures tomorrow



3. Did the instrument cluster brake warning light replace the under dash warning light?-Pictures tomorrow

Originally Posted by rsimkins

Bob,

Some questions:



Did the instrument cluster brake warning light replace the under dash warning light?



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The warning light under the dash is a Seatbelt warning light and not a Emergency brake warning light. Sorry for the confusion.

Here is a picture of the Deluxe seat side trim . The later version like in the picture is secured by screws in the front ,back and in the middle . I was not able to get good enough pictures of the lower seat trim in my early VIN number car but it looks the same as the trim in the picture but with out the screw hole that is seen in the middle of the trim in the picture.The early version only had screw holes in the front and the back. The middle screw was added to keep the trim from sagging in the middle.

[rsimkins]

I think I've made all the changes. Please review at http://www.S-TechEnt.com/1967_Runnin...on_Changes.htm. Thanks.

[Shelby6t7]

Roy:

Nice job.........
On point 4.4 do you think there should be a differentiation between the caps. Black painted and Chrome plated FoMoCo, and Autolite?

Kenny